Demon Princ - Infiltrator ( mit ili stvarnost? )

[Dark Cross]

MOZE LI SE DEMON PRINC SA DEMONIC STATURE INFILTRIRATI?
nekad - ne
danas - mislim da sam naveo dosta pravila koja kazu da MOZE.....
ps...neka mi neko navede gdje grijesim i gdje tu ispravku mogu naci


CODEX - CSM

VETERAN ABILITIES

Infiltrate

The squad may deploy using the Infiltrators scenario special rule, if allowed to do so by the mission being played. MODEL WITH A BIKE, A STEED, FOLLOWERS, DEMONIC STATURE, THE MARK OF KHORNE OR TERMINATOR ARMOUR CANNOT USE THIS SKILL.

RULEBOOK - 4th EDITION

UNIVERSAL SPECIAL RULES

predgovor - As the number of Warhammer 40k armies has increased through the years, it has become apparent that there are large numbers of special rules that are not specific to just a single army, and that these universal special rules really belong here in the Warhammer 40k rulebook. THE FOLLOWING UNIT SPECIAL RULES ARE THE DEFINITIVE VERSIONS, AND REPLACE SPECIAL RULES OF THE SAME NAME PRINTED IN FULL IN CODEXES.
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Infiltrate

In the right circumstances, stealthy troops have the ability to work their way into a forward position on the battlefield. To represent this, units with Infiltrate ability may set up in accordance with the Infiltrate special rule (see page 84) in any mission that uses this special rule. If The mission does not allow troops to use the Infiltrate rule then the troops in question must set up normally with the rest of the army. THE INFILTRATE ABILITY DOES NOT ALLOW UNITS THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE IN RESERVE TO DEPLOY ON THE TABLE. IF A UNIT WITH THIS ABILITY IS EQUIPPED WITH A TRANSPORT VEHICLE, IT LOSES THE INFILTRATE ABILITY.

UZ SVE TO:

CSM Chapter Approved Codex FAQ V4.0.1.

Kaze:

Veteran Skills

VETERAN SKILLS THAT ARE PRINTED IN THE UNIVERSAL SPECIAL RULES SECTION OF THE WARHAMMER 40K RULEBOOK ALWAYS TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER THOSE PRINTED IN CODEX: CHAOS SPACE MARINES.

[Krunkova]

Ne moze.Po tomes shto si napisao ne moze

[TIFUSAR]

Ovo si mogal postat baš pod 40k pravila...
Nu, kaže ti u Codexu: Chaos da nemreš i to ti je to (...models with bike, steed, Followers, Stature ,mark of Khorne i Term. Armour cannot use this skill).
Nema veze kaj u Rulebooku nije posebno navedeno, ti se držiš svog kodeksa.

[mkrulik@inet.hr]

Da ali rulebook kaže da su sva pravila sa istim imenom u SVIM codexima zamnjenjena sa onima iz rulebooka i to in FULL(potpunosti) pa sad ti meni reci zakaj on to ne bi mogao ,da se razumijemo ja se slažem da bi te restrikcije trebale postojati gle jer bike se čuje a princ i nije baš stealthy ali ja nisam vidio da igdje piše da kaosovci moraju samo pravila iz svog kodeksa koristiti a ne ona iz rulebooka.

[mkrulik@inet.hr]

Kad smo već kod pravila pazi pravila za thunder hammer-u sm codexu piše da thunder humera kad te udari radi ovo-the model wounded by a thunder hammer cant att again until initative 1 weapons are STRUCK in the next ass phase-Što bi u blagom prevodu reklo ti možeš udarati tek kada su u sljedečoj ass fazi inicjativa 1 oružja udarena!!!-što bi reklo udaraš poslje njih.

Dok u rulebooku piše model wounded with thunder hammer will att. at initiative 1 in the next assult phase.
Što mislim da je jasno udaraš kada i inicjativa 1.

[Dark Cross]

Ali pazi ja i igor smo to provjeravali jucer i jasno i glasno u rulebook-u pise:

........THE FOLLOWING UNIT SPECIAL RULES ARE THE DEFINITIVE VERSIONS, AND REPLACE SPECIAL RULES OF THE SAME NAME PRINTED IN FULL IN CODEXES.....

plus smo gledali na GW-ovoj stranici za ispravke i nasli

CSM Chapter Approved Codex FAQ V4.0.1.

Veteran Skills

VETERAN SKILLS THAT ARE PRINTED IN THE UNIVERSAL SPECIAL RULES SECTION OF THE WARHAMMER 40K RULEBOOK ALWAYS TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER THOSE PRINTED IN CODEX: CHAOS SPACE MARINES.

..tako da stvarno nema razloga zasto to se nebi koristilo....
ps. slazem se da je to malo brutalno ali to su oni terebali misliti jer nigdje nema posebnog objasnjenja...

[Dark Cross]

sto se tice termija oni se i dalje ne mogu infiltrirati citaj malo bolje sto se tice infiltracije i rezervi, a za ostalo se slazem i zasto to nebi moglo jer nigdje vise nije zabranjeno.....

[Krunkova]

Ja i igor smo jucer citali...jeste to mozda citali u chapter approved? Ko prije dve godine svima je bila spika kad treba nac rupu u pravilima da su citali u chapter approved.
Gledaj...
Imas ti i pravo kaj veslish...
Sva pravila iz rulebooka zamjenjuju codexe.I da pod infiltrate u rulebooku fakat ne pishe nis osim opis istog.
Al ti tvoj codex nalaze da infiltrate ne mozes imat.Nemas ga.
Kontradiktornosti uopce nema.Citaj bukvalno sto si napiso(ne ono sto mislish da to znaci nego sto pishe-bez gledanja toga iz neke prizme)

[Rasho]

Kruno kad citam tvoje postove dobim blackout.
Ak pishe u rulbuku da ta pravila tam imaju prednost pred onima u kodeksima i svim ostalima onda nenam kaj bi to drugo moglo znacit osim onog kaj pise.

[Dark Cross]

Za tvoju informaciju citali smo rulebook i codex csp + Chapter approved sa njihove stranice tako da bi sa vrijemena na vrijeme mogao to potraziti na njihovoj starnici
a ono tvoje o skill-u i infiltrate pravilu bas je napisano u tom chapter approved-u:
Veteran Skills that are printed in Universal Special Rules sectio of Warhammer 40k rulebook always take presedence over those printed in Codex CSP

[Štrebo]

Ne možeš ga infiltrirat jer mu ne možeš kupiti Infiltrate skill.
To šta piše u rulbuku stoji, al mu to kao izbor u Kaos codexu ne možeš kupit.

[mkrulik@inet.hr]

Da li piše da oni ne mogu imati infiltrejt abiliti ili skill?

[Sabol]

mislim da u ovom slucaju dark cross ima pravo.....

tj u rulebooku pise sto je infiltrate skill ....i taj paragraf prema GWu zamjenjuje paragraf u codexu.....sto bi znacilo da je takva infiltracija dozvoljena.....

no tu RUPETINU u pravilima bi se trebalo poslat GWu da razjasne dal stvarno nemaju mozga ili im se samo omaklo jer ni sami vise ne znaju ko kaj ima i moze

no u pravilima nigdje ne pise da netko mora igrat protiv toga :D

[mkrulik@inet.hr]

Sad više neznam-da li je to skill ili je to abiliti da li gamože kupiti ili ga samo ne može juzati-(prokleti kodeks kaos).

[Rasho]

Da kruno,kuiš?